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Richard Y Chappell's avatar

Interesting post! But I think it rests too much on a false dichotomy between MAGA and woke. I agree that MAGA is (clearly!) vastly worse. But that doesn't give me much reason to think that woke is "good, actually". I'd prefer for more woke folks to become a different (more classically liberal) kind of anti-MAGA.

For the most part, this isn't due to thinking that wokes are mistaken in their first-order views. I often directionally agree with them about specific injustices. But I think they make two higher-order mistakes which are more important to avoid:

(1) Wokism encourages systematic incompetence at cause prioritization, giving lexical priority to fighting demographic disparities (e.g. obsessing over race and gender disparities during COVID) over far greater problems that matter many orders of magnitude more (e.g. assessing lockdowns, vaccine challenge trials, etc.). This was the core criticism of my 'Woke Axiology' post:

https://www.goodthoughts.blog/p/woke-axiology

(2) Their epistemic practices and discourse norms are *terrible*. Wokism encourages norms of cancellation, guilt by association, and a general unwillingness to fairly consider arguments for rival views. Because most people within any given ideology are still seriously wrong about a lot of important things, perhaps the single most important property for any ideology to have is to promote critical inquiry (or avoid dogmatism), so as to allow itself to be improved upon. Wokism fails dismally by this foundational criterion, and I think that alone is sufficient reason to dislike and distrust it.

Compare, e.g., "It's OK to Read Anyone": https://www.goodthoughts.blog/p/its-ok-to-read-anyone

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Eu An's avatar

The reactionary impulse is certainly one reason, but I think anti-wokeness can also be traced to a variety of highly persuasive philosophical ideas (persuasive, at least, to modern sensibilities). First of all there's a kind of basic empiricism, which questions the leap from everyday objects to "systemic" injustices and ineffable "power structures". Relatedly, there's the hugely popular methodological individualism which, at its extremes, rejects the idea of a "society". Such a naturalistic/scientific mindset also leans toward a kind of moral nihilism, according to which moral sentiment is a matter of irrational feeling and nothing more (and so social justice warriors simply lack self-awareness about the "true" source of morality). Closely related is the assumption of the superiority of cold rationality over passionate emotion. Plus the whole Nietzschean slave morality thing which ties all kinds of egalitarianisms to envy, although there are many other objections to inequality.

I think upon closer examination these ideas don't justify anti-wokeness as much as one might think, nor are they philosophically bulletproof. First, I can be a moral anti-realist while trying to end slavery nonetheless. Nor does that make me envious of slave-masters, even if I'm a slave myself. Maybe I just don't like human suffering. Second, empiricism doesn't mean doggedly prioritizing everyday objects like "tables" and "chairs"—empiricism simply grounds knowledge in messy sense-data (at least in the Carnap/Quine variety). It can be extraordinarily flexible and ontologically plural. And so if "power structures" help explain why certain categories become socially recognized or why certain groups systematically "lose", why not take power seriously?

And so on. I personally don't have the energy to quarrel with pure reactionaries or even with hateful deranged leftists, for that matter. But I do think there's a potentially large subset of anti-woke proponents who arrive at those conclusions through the sort of ideas mentioned above (perhaps through Jordan Peterson, etc), who aren't just status quo warriors, but who try in good faith to make sense of the world around them. I say this because I know many people who find wokeness disagreeable, and they do give decent reasons for their views, like the ones above. So, I think those interested in furthering social justice should take those ideas seriously, question them, introduce new perspectives, etc., and there's a good chance people on the "other side" will change their minds. Mayhe not woke entirely (that may not be good either), just a little more open to such ideas. Speculating about each side's hidden motives and emotions doesn't work if people actually have good reasons for the views they hold—and surprisingly often, people do have such reasons.

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